By Jon Dougherty
An Oklahoma grandfather who says he believes in the Second Amendment nevertheless feels that a homeowner who killed three teens with an AR-15 who had broken into his home in the middle of the night was “unfair” and should not be permitted.
According to KTUL-TV, Leroy Schumacher, grandfather of 17-year-old Jacob Redfearn, seriously said he thinks the death of his grandson was not justified because the homeowner’s AR-15 gave him an unfair advantage over the three home invaders.
Schumacher acknowledged that breaking into a house was “stupid,” but went onto say that the deaths were not the appropriate consequence.
“What these three boys did was stupid,” Schumacher said. “They knew they could be punished for it but they did not deserve to die.
However, he added: “Brass knuckles against an AR-15? C’mon. Who was afraid for their life?”
You can’t make this lunacy up.
Besides Redfearn, 19-year old Maxwell Cook and 16-year old Jake Woodruff were also shot and killed in the home invasion.
The homeowner who was defending his castle has not been charged with any crimes because police note that his act was one of self-defense. That is to say, it doesn’t matter what Leroy Schumacher thinks about the incident after the fact, what matters is what the homeowner thought at the time his house was being invaded — not something he invited or should ever agree to under any circumstances.
Nevertheless, Schumacher reiterated his belief that what happened to his grandson and his two hoodlum friends was inappropriate and did not fit the crime.
“There’s got to be a limit to that law, I mean he shot all three of them — there was no need for that,” he told KTUL.
Really? There’s literally no way Schumacher could know that because he wasn’t there and was not in the homeowner’s shoes (or slippers…or whatever in the middle of the night).
There’s more. The three hoodlums also had a getaway driver — meaning their invasion was planned out and who knows what would have happened if they would have gotten ahold of the homeowner.
Elizabeth Rodriguez, 21, the driver, was not injured but she was later arrested and charged with three counts of first-degree murder, one count of first-degree burglary and one count of second-degree burglary. Cops also noted that Rodriguez admitted to planning the burglary.
In the end, Schumacher claims he supports the Second Amendment but doesn’t agree with killing home invaders — at least in this case because, you know, grandson and all.
“These boys’ families are going to suffer with this the rest of their lives, we have to live with this the rest of our lives,” he said. “You can’t change history, but you can damn sure learn from it, and maybe some kids will learn from this.”
What about the family of the homeowner if the ‘brass knuckles’ kids would have killed him? That be okay instead?
What a moron.
If kids in Oklahoma ‘learn’ from this it should be the lesson that breaking and entering are liable to get you a one-way ticket to the morgue. And that’s as it should be.
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Shooting to kill is much harder than shooting to hit. I think even police, not being shot at, should shoot to hit, not to kill. IF perpetrator has a gun then shoot to kill IF they do not drop it.
You shoot to stop the threat.
In the UK police are taught and trained that if you shoot, you shoot to kill and not to wound.
Having said that, UK police shootings are probably about 1% of US shootings.
Shooting to would endangers yourself, other officers and the public.
If the offending party is not armed with a gun then there is no need to shoot to kill. You still have the gun, they might have a knife, or in this case brass knuckles.
OK. In the UK we have hardly any experience of firearms. 1. How does the innocent homeowner with maybe wife and kids sleeping upstairs know exactly who and what these criminal house breakers intentions are? 2. Does homeowner wait to see if he can be disarmed by the knife carrier? And if he is due to thinking like yourself and giving the benefit of the doubt (always) to the criminal then what happens then to him and his family? 3. Does he wait to do a drug test to check if they are still on this planet or on some… Read more »
Your idiocy is astounding. Do you think there was a referee present, checking weapons for fairness?? If people break your door down while you’re sleeping, there is no fairness.
wow are you vapid,
you’re saying no one has ever been stabbed to death?….or beaten to death?
you ever been hit with brass knuckles ,Dipshitt?
hAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
shut up liberal loon.
save for parental discipline, thousands of years ago, I have almost never been in a fight beyond verbal.
*wound* Sorry for the typo
if you’re stupid enough to break into someones property, you know you can be killed for it. be it with an AR15 or a bat, a 120lb dog, or a baseball bat.
DON’T BREAK INTO OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY AND YOU CAN’T BE KILLED FOR IT! PROBLEM SOLVED AND COMPLETELY FAIR!
AGREED
Too bad the grandfather didn’t help the boys with their little project. The homeowner probably had some leftovers in a 30 round mag he could have used. The homeowner did an outstanding job considering the circumstances.
The homeowner did an outstanding job considering the circumstances. That is the problem, how did an ordinary person succeed in not only hitting three possibly fleeing targets, but in killing them? I have been target shooting with a bow and with a gun and neither is easy to hit the target let alone the kill shot.
Practice, that’s how.
Every sane household should have appropriate arms. The ar-15 is not an automatic. Not unless upgraded. I recommend arms for every vulnerable household. Which today, is most homes. Until the criminal quits being exalted by the left, we owe it to ourselves to be fully armed in our homes, unless of course, we are known criminals.
it’s pretty clear where the grandson got his stupidity from.
This is an OLD story – how much longer is it going to be recycled as current news???
And how exactly is a homeowner supposed to know if they are carrying brass knuckles or glocks ? Should he ask them first and take a few moments to assess the situation before shooting ?
You should shoot to warn and to stop, not to kill unless they do shoot at you. Besides, if you have ever shot a gun, you might know that it is difficult to make the kill shot. It is difficult just to hit the standing still target. He killed 3, perhaps their backs were turned and fleeing. I am not saying he was wrong to shoot, but was it like across a field and they were running for their lives with their backs turned and he picked them off like fish in a barrel. Think humanely.
Clueless liberals need to stop instructing those trained in self-protection. You don’t shoot to “wing” when you are threatened like this homeowner was. This isn’t Hollywood. Everyone that has taken a gun safety or home defense course is trained to aim at center mass. That is the largest target on the perp. A person defending themselves is tasked with eliminating the threat, not slowing him down.
I know what the protocol is. – I think it is wrong to kill to stop theft. Kill to stop bodily injury.
Next time some criminals break in to your home at night while you are alone in bed. Be sure and ask them politely before they tie you up and beat you, stab you, strangle you, shoot you etc, what kind of weapons they have and what their intentions are. And then let us know how it all worked out for you. It is easy to come up with alternative scenarios for how a crime could have or should have taken place. Your advice to not shoot “unless they do shoot at you” is moronic. No one, not the police, not… Read more »
I agree the homeowner had every right to defend his castle. I think if he were to shoot to maim and not kill it would be better for his soul as well. I am against the killing, not the defending. Was it close combat and he had no choice but to kill, OR were at least two of them trying to escape. I am glad they did not succeed, but upset over the deaths. Yes, it saves prison space, taxes and society, but could they have amounted to something later if not dead.
Exodus 22:2 If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed.
Please notice the words. he is struck so that he dies, not strike him to death. I agree no fault if the bad person dies. BUT three, two must have been running away, like fish in a barrel and no need to aim to kill. Again, I do not know the situation and maybe all three jumped him not knowing he was carrying and in self defense mode he shot them at close quarters and then they died. The other is most likely..
Exodus 22:2 If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. The word thief was not intended limit the number of thieves could be killed in self-defense. The word struck, does not suggest there was only one blow. It means the killing strike will not be held against the person defending their property. Self-defense was legal among on the Hebrews in 1400 BC. It was a founding principle in the US in 1700s. I am glad to see it is legal in many places in the… Read more »
You shoot to stop the target. If they don’t survive then tough shit. Concepts of fairness and rainbow unicorns for all are only for those detached from reality snowflakes who think some government apparatchiks are going to build a utopia for their benefit.
3 less Dem voters win win
that would be funny if it had not ended in death
Well….then there wouldn’t be 3 less Dem voters, would there? So no, it wouldn’t be funny nor would it make sense. Which is typical of how the liberal mind works.
HA! Stupid little fucks got exactly what they deserved. I hope it registered in their tiny little pea-sized brains what dumbshits they were. And yeah, I hope it hurt the whole time they were dying. Good shooting and well done!
@ Hellpig,
LMFAO! Subhuman pieces of shit get what they deserve.