(National Sentinel) Unreal Time: Fox News correspondent Geraldo Rivera joined HBO‘s “Real Time with Bill Maher” on Friday for a wide-ranging interview in which he defended his network, President Donald J. Trump, and his journalistic integrity while taking swipes at the host and questioning MSNBC‘s veracity.

“You care very much about your legacy being as a journalist, so I do have to ask, why Fox News?” Maher asked.

“I think that your characterization of Fox is a stereotype, with all due respect,” responded Rivera. “I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-immigration reform. I’m pro-gun control. And I’m on Fox News.

“It’s easy because Sean Hannity, for instance, is such a big personality, to say that he represents the sum total of Fox, but I think that, with due respect, that there are more voices. It’s not state-run TV. It has a conservative leaning. MSNBC is as liberal and as progressive as you can possibly be, aside from this show,” Rivera continued.

“We’re HBO,” Maher quipped, correcting Rivera. “But, there is a big difference between MSNBC and Fox News. MSNBC sticks to the truth. They don’t make things up.”

Maher then ticked off several talking points about the president watching Fox News and how “our policy seems to be coming from” the network morning show, “Fox & Friends.”

“I’m still stuck on your saying that MSNBC sticks to the truth,” Rivera said, noting that the “Russian collusion” allegations that are frequently discussed on the network is a topic that liberal hosts focus on with no substance to support them.

“I say that anyone who views the witnesses who have been interviewed, the indictments that have come down, the scope of the investigation so far has to come to the conclusion that there’s nothing there yet,” said Rivera.

“Where’s the collusion? It’s an illusion!” Rivera insisted, adding that Maher “would blame them if they had Russian dressing on their salad.”

“This is what I don’t get,” Maher later said. “I remember thinking of you as a crusading reporter who was fighting against the spin. I feel like now you are the spin.”

“That’s so bull!” Rivera interjected.

“You’re a smart guy,” said Maher. “This befuddles me. I looked up to you.”

“If you don’t look up to me because I’m still friends with the president of the United States, then shame on you,” said Rivera, who also defended Trump against the Stormy Daniels charges.

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