(National Sentinel) Playing Defense: On his Thursday night program, Fox News host Tucker Carlson discussed President Donald J. Trump’s tough comments during negotiations with lawmakers over immigration reform, in which he made reference to “shithole countries” where many migrants to the U.S. have come from in recent years, mostly following natural disasters.

Carlson spoke with Jose Parra, the Latin communications director for former President Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, saying he had visited Haiti and as such, does not get why people were offend by Trump’s accurate characterization, The Daily Caller reported.

“The idea that you are not allowed to say that they’re pretty crummy countries, Haiti for example or El Salvador, I’ve been in both of them — that’s why people are leaving them to come here,” Carlson said. “So I don’t understand what the sin is. You’re not allowed to point out that other countries aren’t as good places to live as America?”

“I think the outrage here is about the insult and the expletive that is attached to the people who come from these countries,” Parra responded.

Carlson noted that the reason why so many people from the nations Trump reportedly mentioned flock to the U.S. precisely because their own countries are impoverished, crime-ridden, corrupt, and devoid of opportunity.

“The people who left those countries, some of them rode trains all the way through Mexico or they hid in the wheel well of a plane to leave, they would agree with that. So why the outrage?” he asked. “You have to lie and pretend.”

“We’ve gotten to a place where no one can be honest about anything,” Carlson added.

The host noted that even the United Nations has described Norway as the world’s most developed nation, and Haiti as the world’s poorest.

Trump reportedly cited Haiti as one of the “shithole” countries, while telling lawmakers the U.S. should seek out more immigrants from Norway — comments his critics claim were racist.

“People are actually staying  in this country right now legally because Haiti is so bad, we don’t think they should have to return,” Carlson said.

“So if you say Norway is a better place to live, and Haiti is kind of a hole — anyone who has been to those countries or has lived in them would agree. But we’re jumping up and down — ‘Oh you can’t say that’ — why can’t you say that?” he asked.

Perra said it was a “question of values,” the accused Carlson — and Trump — of attaching negative connotations to people who come from “predominately brown countries.”

The host responded by noting that his, and the president’s, description of Haiti was accurate, then blamed liberal media like MSNBC for turning Trump’s comments into racism.

“If you can’t even say that out loud without being called a racist by people like you and the morons over on MSNBC … anybody who says that’s a racist statement should explain how it is, and you can’t,” Carlson said.

“We overwhelmingly give advantage to very poor countries and it’s an honest question, not a racist one.”

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